Direct experience of your own JK

Krishnamurti, Jiddu

So thought creates the thinker, the censor, the observer. And is it possible to think without the censor? Do you understand? Is it possible to observe without the observer? Don’t agree or disagree, sirs. Please, you have to find out. One direct experience of your own is worth more than all the books put together. If you can find out for yourself what is true, you can burn all the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Gita, and the Bible; they are not worth looking at.

Now, you have to find out directly for yourself whether it is possible to be in that state of thinking without the thinker, experiencing without the experiencer. Please, sirs, it is not complicated. In the moment of your intense anger, is there an observer? It is only after the emotional upheaval has taken place that you say, “By Jove, I was angry.” Then comes identification, and the condemnatory process begins; there is contradiction, conflict, an effort to conform to the pattern recognized by society as being respectable. Do you understand, sirs? The pattern is recognized as being respectable; otherwise, you would not try to conform to it. And respectability is a horror, an ugly thing because it opens the door to mediocrity.

So, our problem is to understand the state of the mind which is in meditation because meditation is essential—but not the meditation that most people practice sitting in a room and repeating a lot of words; that is not meditation. Repetition merely puts the mind to sleep, and you can do that very easily by taking a tranquilizer. I know you will dislike what is being said because you have found that your traditional repetition of certain words and names for ten minutes or so gradually makes your mind quiet, but it has only gone to sleep, and that is what you call meditation. You also call it meditation when you solicit, pray, beg for something for yourself, for your country, for your party, or for your family. You put forth the begging bowl of inward poverty and ask somebody to fill it. That is not meditation. Meditation is something entirely different, as you will see. The state of meditation is possible only when there is space in the mind for observation, and that space is denied to a mind which is suppressed, disciplined to conform to a pattern. A mind in the state of meditation, contemplation, is not striving to be anything.

Sirs, I am only trying to convey in different words what has been said previously. If you have not followed the talk for the last forty minutes or more, you won’t understand what is being said now.

The Collected Works of
J. Krishnamurti – Volume XI 1958-1960: Crisis in Consciousness
Jiddu Krishnamurti

God’s blessings not dependent on anything JSG

God's existence

One important point in spiritual living which requires a tremendous transition in consciousness is that the blessing of God in our individual experience is not dependent on anything. It is not dependent on our first being good; it is not dependent on our first obeying laws or going through rites or ceremonies.

The blessings and grace of God are not dependent on any thoughts we think or on any acts we do or do not do.

The blessings and grace of God are free.

They are not a reward for studying books; they are not a reward for attending church; they are not a reward for being benevolent or for tithing.

Joel Goldsmith
Showing Forth the
Presence of God
Chapter 3

Can anyone heal people?

Heal Yourself

CAN ANYONE HEAL PEOPLE ?

I maintain that the person with the problem should learn what needs to be done because it’s all about their own spiritual growth. While it’s true that health is never withheld, there is an awakening that needs to take place.

We aren’t meant to live separated from our Source, Spirit, God, and that’s where our focus should be.

DrRobinStarbuck

I AM -rjs

Robin Starbuck

● I AM AT ONE WITH GOD.
● I AM ONE WITH GOD.
● I AM WITH GOD.
● I AM GOD.
● I AM.
● I .
□ Note well: Some mystics have gone through this progression many, many years ago while others have yet to meet it. Furthermore you who have not experienced it in its entirety have undoubtedly met many other glorious illuminations that the likes of myself have not yet seen.

DrRobinStarbuck

I AM one with God

God's existence

● I AM AT ONE WITH GOD.
● I AM ONE WITH GOD.
● I AM WITH GOD.
● I AM GOD.
● I AM.
● I .
□ Note well: Some mystics have gone through this progression many, many years ago while others have yet to meet it. Furthermore you who have not experienced it in its entirety have undoubtedly met many other glorious illuminations that the likes of myself have not yet seen.

DrRobinStarbuck

Apology is good for the soul

Methodology

I learned an important lesson about a week ago. I commented on a friend’s post, not realizing that my comment mitigated against his entire message to a very specific audience.

In my zeal to ‘correct’ him, I was sending out a message that was unloving, unimportant and most certainly, unnecessary.

Let me please be far less critical, and far less demanding, drawing merely from my own perspective, as truly helping another, means knowing when to lovingly back off.

DrRobinStarbuck

Re-typing = no good

Errors

Isn’t it possible to copy and paste FROM AN ORIGINAL? People will copy and paste, or simply share from here with its many typing mistakes. They will think they have a correct copy so they will in turn share it. Joel’s books are immaculate and not subject to misinterpretation because of re-typing with mistakes. (I know this because I shared another post that was re-typed with many errors. I noticed it later after it was shared from my post 3 times.)

The Mystical I

Page 32, “I Am Come”

   As long as you have no graven image of God in your thought, not praying to afar – off or close – at – hand God, as long as you are abiding in I – I, Omniscience, I, Omnipresence, I, Omnipotence, – then by the grace of God your needs are met.

   Now, as of old, the danger is that you will pray for material things or desire material things, which means that you would like God, Spirit, to fulfill your concepts rather than to express God’s way and God’s will. To pray and have in mind anything or any condition that you want from God is to create the barrier separating you from it, because there is no God separate and apart from you, and that “you” has no problems.

I and my Father have no problems. I and my Father are incorporeal, spiritual. I and my Father are truth. In this right identity, His word goes before me to “make the crooked places straight.” His word that knows my need fulfills it.

   Do you not see that setting up an “I” with some problem, with some desire, with some need to be fulfilled is setting up a selfhood apart from God? Do you not see that this is a denial of the Masters teaching?

   I and the Father have no problems. I and the Father are not immature or aged: I and my Father are ageless. “Before Abraham was, I am…. I will never leave thee…. I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.”

IN JOEL GOLDSMITH STUDENTS GROUP
ONE OF VERY MANY. :'(

Lazy interpretations are harmful

Awakening
I AM THAT .

AWAKEN FROM YOUR BELIEVING !!

Spiritual laziness possesses would-be interpreters of enlightened texts who opt for a quicker feel-good, replete with copious worldly rewards!

Your words, Frank Johnson, are like a bucket of ice-water in the sleeper’s face, admonishing them to wake up and reach higher in order to show their ‘followers’ by their own reaching how spiritual enquiry is done:

“The Philosopher, the Theologian, and to be sure, the average Churchgoer, would likely read [enlightened] words and label them as ridiculous, more likely, heretical. Why?

“Because the human mind has been conditioned to only seek after what it can understand, what it can accept, what it can rationalize. Such is the path of Religion. Religion is where everything is presented with a logical explanation.

“Yet in all this logic, who is showing the Believer how to awaken within to realize the truth that they believe in? We’ve been trained to believe doctrine without a hint of inner Awareness.

“The words from the Bhagavad Gita, as an example, emanate from the path of inner direct experience (like that seen in Jesus), not from some teaching that someone would tell you to merely believe.” FJ

I’d (rjs) like to add what I feel will aid tremendously in putting teacher and student, leader and follower on track for a major enlightenment breakthrough. Give up all self-seeking desire for wealth, leadership, popularity. Just listen truly sincerely for what might be the first time.

Sadhana (practice) begins when study stops

Adams, Robert

Robert Adams
Excerpt from: Satsang
‘You’re only playing games with yourself’

When your mind begins to think, stop it, catch it, put an end to it. Many of you are still under the impression that you come to hear lectures, talks. Let me ask you, how many lectures, how many talks have you been to all of your life? And what has it done for you? It simply adds more confusion. Always remember what you are trying to do. You’re not trying to add more knowledge to your ignorance. You’re trying to empty yourself of all your knowledge, all of your ignorance, everything that you have accumulated. You want to become empty.

Yet most people seem to go to different teachers, read many books, and they add on. They keep adding, adding, adding, adding, adding. Yet the day must come in your life, when you stand naked before God, so-to-speak, when you have no crutches to hold onto. All the books are gone, there are no more teachers for you, there’s no one to ask for help, there’s no one to ask if you’re on the right path. It is then that your sadhana actually begins. Ponder this very well. Your sadhana, your spiritual practice does not begin when you’ve gone to many teachers, and you’ve read many books.

It actually begins when you give up everything. That’s when real sadhana begins, when you have surrendered everything, when you’ve emptied yourself of all knowledge, all desires for liberation. When you have become an empty shell, then your spiritual life begins. Until that time you’re only playing games with yourself.

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