Freeing from consequential thinking – do we need a guru?

Non-duality

THIS WILL SET YOU FREE IF YOU’RE READY FOR IT !!
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“I do find one thing to be most important, we have to free the mind of consequential thinking..

“See if your already thinking you have to free yourself of ego, your already subconsciously trying to fix a problem as if there is even a problem to fix, and your mind then keeps reinforcing the idea that there is some consequence to whether or not you undo this imaginary, powerless thing that doesn’t even exist and has zero power over you..

“And so really just retraining your mind to see that ineffectual nature of reality and that this whole change thing is a total Lie…

“For If change is real, then sin is real and guilt is real,

“And really that belief in change is the belief in destroying something vulnerable…

“And that’s what the physical universe is designed to do,

“Prove that change, destruction, and consequence is even a real thing…

“And love, what we really are, doesn’t change and can’t be hurt by anything…

“So for me the best thing for me to do is just laugh, laugh at everything,

“The laughter teaches the mind/soul that it’s invulnerable and what your doing is slowly unlearning the original lie…or the original sin…

“Which is the belief that paradise/ heaven/ love/ your true identity

“Can be destroyed or die…

“And yes this is a very logical comment, but sometimes we need logic to bring clarity to the task at hand

“So that we can Better understand what we are really teaching ourselves..

“Much love to you ✌🏼❤️💕🥳”
Jacob Shapiro

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robin: Jacob Shapiro do you think one needs to study under a guru in order to free oneself of all the consequential baggage?
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Jacob Shapiro:
Robin Starbuck not necessarily, but I will say that it’s more then likely that when the student is ready the teacher appears. I watch YouTube’s of different teachers and I suppose for me that helps me. And it’s possible that I will be in physical presence with a guru/teacher. But really it’s every single thing that happens to you. It’s all your thoughts being reflected back to you. So every single moment of the day we make a choice which voice Inside of us we will listen to…The voice of love/higher self…or the ego…

If you want to wake up truly, then you will be given every single thing you need, including the people that are supposed to push your buttons which exposes the ego thinking that is still there…

Through the darkness to the light, we can’t avoid exposing the darkness..

And then face the fear of
Love.

Which is the biggest fear we have…
Jacob Shapiro

Application -RM

Ramana Maharshi

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  1. Will the discrimination between the real and the unreal be enough to liberate or is there any other spiritual practice for it?
  2. For seekers of truth is the critical study of the scriptures alone enough for liberation or is spiritual practice in accordance with guru’s guidance also necessary?
  3. How does a person of steady knowledge know that he is one such?
  4. Is it because of the awareness of the fullness of his knowledge or is it because of cessation of objective awareness?
  5. By what hallmark do the learned recognize the knower?
  6. Does Samadhi, the conscious absorption of the mind in the heart result only in knowledge or does it also fulfill desires?
  7. If one practicing yoga, spiritual practices, for fulfilling desires becomes a steadfast knower of the self, will that desire be fulfilled anyway or not?

ANSWERS FROM RAMANA

Self abidance alone is enough to free anyone from bondage. However the discrimination between the real and the unreal leads to distaste for the transient. The profound jnani is always rooted in the self alone.

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No human guru -RM

Ramana Maharshi

Devotee. But there are some who seem to have had no human Guru at all.

Bhagwan Sri Ramana Maharshi: True. In the case of certain great souls God reveals himself as the Light of their light from within.

Devotee: Then what is true devotion (Bhakti) ?

Bhagwan Sri Ramana: Whatever I do or consider myself doing is really the Lord’s doing. Nothing really belongs to me. I am here for the service of the Lord. This spirit of service really is devotion supreme and the true devotee sees the Supreme Being as the Lord immanent in everything. Worship of Him by name and form leads one beyond all name and form. Devotion Complete culminates in Knowledge Supreme.

Even when Bhakti, devotion, is actuated by worldly desires in the beginning, it does not cease when the desires are fulfilled. It increases by an unshakable faith growing perfectly into a supreme state of realization.

Devotee. Then what is the path of Jnana (Knowledge) ?

Bhagwan Sri Ramana: Stripped of the ego he establishes himself naturally in supreme Self-awareness.

Devotee: How can we say that both Bhakti(Devotion) and Jnana (Knowledge) lead to the same goal ?

Bhagwan Sri Ramana: Why not? Both paths lead you to a state of supreme Peace, Mounam, that passeth all understanding.

Sat Darshanam Bhashya and Talks with Maharshi

Thanks Anil Kumar Sinha

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MAYA ISN’T FALSEHOOD PER SE BUT SEEMS SO UNTIL JIVA REMEMBERS ITS REAL IDENTITY

Maya is not falsehood, although it has the appearance of it, but the active side of Reality. It is the maker of forms in Consciousness and form means variety, which causes illusion – mind you, all this variety is in consciousness and nowhere else; it is only in the mind. One jiva, seeing another jiva, forgets its identity with it and thinks of it as separate from itself. But the moment it turns its attention on its own nature as consciousness, and not as form, the illusion of diversity or separateness breaks as a dream breaks when waking takes place.

(Bhagavan in ‘Guru Ramana’ IX.1)

VERY MUCH LIKE GOLDSMITH AND FITCH TEACHING THAT WE CAN HEAL BY REALIZING THE I OR CHRIST OF ME IS EXACTLY THE DAME AS THE I OR CHRIST (GOD) OF PATIENT (SO THERE IS NO PATIENT).

Not serious enough -Papaji

Not Serious Enough

A few people have that desire (for enlightenment), but it is mostly a weak desire. They are not serious enough, sincere enough or honest enough to focus exclusively on that desire. They make a little progress, then succumb to some desire, get distracted, and revert to their old state. This happens again and again. A few steps forward are followed by a few steps back, steps that put you back into the traps of the mind.

Many lives can come and go like this without any real progress being made. Even those who have been very decisive, who have moved towards their goal without getting distracted, can falter when they near the end of their journey. Mind will still be there, and there will be a strong desire to continue to use the mind. These people will come face to face with the Self, but the mind will still be there, evaluating and planning. They will think, unconsciously, ‘I have come this far by my effort, and now I have to use this same mind that brought me here to understand what is happening, and to decide what I have to do next’.

This will cause them to falter and keep them away from their goal, and as they fail to reach that goal, that same mind will become busier, trying to work out why it is not getting what it wants. It will be a very rare person who can drop the evaluating mind and merge into that nothingness, without thinking about it in any way. You have to be serious, and you have to want freedom to the exclusion of everything else. It is just a joke if you think ‘I want freedom’, and then go back to all your old habits, or think that you can attain it by meditating for half an hour a day.

Many people come here and say ‘I want freedom’, but they cannot keep their attention on this goal for any length of time. You walk down a road, determined to go somewhere, but on the way you see a dance performance by the side of the road and stop to watch it. Within a few minutes you have forgotten the purpose of your journey. This is how it is with most people who say ‘I want freedom’.

The determination to focus on the goal and not be distracted is not there. Mind is very tricky. It can fool you at any step of the journey. It can distract you when you have decided to work for freedom, and when you come close to that meeting with your own Self, it can trick you into believing that you are hallucinating and make you believe that what you are seeing or experiencing is not worthwhile.

~ Papaji

PAPAJI

What are you, body? -RAdams

Adams, Robert

VERY, VERY, VERY WELL WORTH THE EFFORT !!!
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When you get up in the morning do not turn on the television or the radio or read newspapers or drink a cup of coffee, turn around and look, look deep, inquire, “Who am I?

What is this body? Where did it come from? What are my thoughts? Where do my thoughts come from?” Inquire, dive deep within and everything will take care of itself. But what we call the Self doesn’t need any encouragement from anybody. It just is, like the air, like boundless space.

Try to be still most of the time. Try not to get into heated discussions, heated debates about anything. The mind always wants to accomplish something, wants to do something, wants to be the doer. Discourage the mind by becoming the witness to its actions.

Learn to be by yourself more, leave the world alone. Do not have any opinions for or against and everything will take care of itself.

Remember to love yourself, to worship yourself, to pray to yourself, to bow to yourself. For God dwells in you as you.

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Taking Refuge In Consciousness

4th March, 1993

Robert Adams Satsangs: The Collected Works

Portrait of Robert by Jane Adams

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Dreamt I was dreaming rjs

Adams, Robert

True story.

Many years ago I dreamt that I had been dreaming but now was wide awake and could PROVE it.

Specific significant details would attest to my being awake even though I was in an amazing situation.

Sounds, smells, tastes, feelings, sights all attested – without the slightest doubt – to my having encountered a most unusual experience.

But I had all the necessary evidence to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that everything was really occurring right then and there.

Only problem was, I was dreaming the whole thing – proof and all!

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Want to wake up? Don’t take it seriously! -RAdams

Adams, Robert

You are dreaming the mortal dream! And the only way to wake up is not to take it seriously, but to observe it and watch it and not to react to it. But you must remind yourself in the morning when you get out of bed. “I just woke up.”, you say to yourself, “I went from one dream into another dream!” If you remind yourself of this in the morning when you wake up, you will be able to handle the whole day sufficiently. For you will not get involved in the world too much. You will not become judgmental over things. You will leave everything alone!
Imagine again that you’re dreaming at night, but now you’re aware that you’re dreaming. If you’re aware that you’re dreaming, are you going to react to anything? Will you react to situations, if you know that you’re dreaming? Of course not. You’ll laugh! You’ll see a war going on and you’ll get in the middle of the battlefield and you’ll say, “What are you doing? This is all a dream! Throw your guns away. You’re wasting your time!” Nobody dies, nobody is killed, nobody is born. It’s all a dream. And they’ll probably shoot you for saying that! Makes no difference if they shoot you! You’re aware that you’re dreaming, so you’re the witness of you being shot and you keep laughing.
And then you wake up.

~ Robert Adams