Commonality bet E&W: God => Self -rjs

In the interest of laying a groundwork for smoother conversations, I’ve been searching for a way to present an albeit slight COMMONALITY that the East and West have re. the definition of “God”: this COMMONALITY is “Self”.

SG => Self=God
SB => Self=Beyond

SG: God is All that there is. Beyond God there is nothing. Not a single thing whatsoever can be found beyond God.

SB: Absolutely right sg: there is nothing beyond. It is exactly this NOTHING that we esteem and worship as the only real Self that there is.

Robin: Two things are most undesirable at this juncture:
(1) Pitting SB and SG against each other.
(2) Merging SB and SG in any way.
DrRobinStarbuck

Pre-egoic to post-egoic -RSpira

We’re not going back to the pre-egoic of the child. All there is to colors, shapes, chairs, fish, etc. is perception. You can’t touch the stuff you’re seeing. All there is to seeing is knowing. Nothing disappears. If you want the peace, joy, love, bliss of this awareness all the time, even when you’re out in life, then this second stage this merging in consciousness is necessary because it leaves you free to go out and experience life without getting pulled out. You’ll feel safe wherever you are. Undefended, you’ll know everything is a modulation of yourself. This 2nd stage is called the Establishment process. It’s a secret that is completely available. Just keep exploring your experience. We were exploring thoughts and neutral sensations. In life we’re doing things: just extend this morning’s meditation into everyday life. Start with easy circumstances and explore them by asking, “Where is seeing taking place?” “What is the experience of seeing made of?” “Where is hearing taking place?”
“Where is thinking taking place?” Explore this in not just easy benign circumstances. Unless you give an experience permission, it can’t pull you out. No experience has the innate power to do that. THAT EXPLORATION WILL ESTABLISH YOU IN THIS EXPERIENTIAL CERTAINTY.

Abidance as self-enquiry -RSpira

Self-abidance is the deeper aspect of self-enquiry. Most people mistake themselves for a bundle of thoughts, feelings, memories, sensations, etc.
First step: what is it that is aware of my thoughts, feelings, sensations etc? WHO AM I? = What is it that cannot be remo fed from me? What has been continuous all my life? What is the continuous element in all these experiences? Self-inquiry starts with a question, an investigation. Nothing more for the mind to do coz it’s always directed toward objective experience. ASK THE QUESTION THEN WAIT FOR THE ANSWER: THE WAITING IS SELF- ABIDANCE (Atma vichara, sanskrit). Not accurate translation because normally we engage in a series of thoughts and perceptions about that thing. But we cannot think about or perceive ourself because there’s nothing objective there. The larger part of self-inquiry is just self-abidance

Just be very quiet -RAdams

The higher Self is your real nature.
That is what you really are.
So naturally when you become still long enough, when you stop shouting and making things happen and wanting things and doing things, when you have become totally still long enough and leave whatever happens, happen, then you become the real Self. That seems to rush at you because it is unfolding as you and when you are quiet, you become That. Simple.
All your job is to become quiet. Become still. Nothing to prove, nothing to do, nothing to fight. You leave the world alone. Everything will take care of itself. You don’t worry any longer. And the Self will rush into your arms and you will embrace and live happily ever after.

Transcript 198
Everything is in a
State of Flux
8th November, 1992
Robert Adams Satsangs
The Collected Works

Don’t care what happens -JK

J. Krishnamurti, the great Indian philosopher and spiritual teacher, spoke and traveled almost continuously all over the world for more than fifty years attempting to convey through words – which are content – that which is beyond words, beyond content. At one of his talks in the later part of his life, he surprised his audience by saying, “Do you want to know my secret?” Everyone became very alert. Many people in the audience had been coming to listen to him for twenty or thirty years and still failed to grasp the essence of his teaching. Finally, after all these years, the master would give them the key to understanding. “This is my secret,” he said. “I don’t mind what happens.”

He did not elaborate, and so I suspect most of his audience were even more perplexed than before. The implications of this simple statement, however, are profound.

When I don’t mind what happens, what does that imply? It implies that internally I am in alignment with what happens. “What happens,” of course, refers to the suchness of this moment, which always already is as it is. It refers to content, the form that this moment – the only moment there ever is – takes. To be in alignment with what is means to be in a relationship of inner nonresistance with what happens. It means not to label it mentally as good or bad, but to let it be. Does this mean you can no longer take action to bring about change in your life? On the contrary. When the basis for your actions is inner alignment with the present moment, your actions become empowered by the intelligence of Life itself.

Eckhart Tolle, ‘A New Earth’