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Ashtavakra Gita

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The Ashtavakra Gita (Sanskrit in Devanagari: अष्टावक्रगीता; IAST: aṣṭāvakragītā)[1] or the Song of Ashtavakra is a classical Advaita Vedanta scripture. It is written as a dialogue between the sage Ashtavakra and Janaka, king of Mithila.[2]

Dating
Radhakamal Mukerjee, an Indian social scientist, dated the book to the period immediately after the Hindu scripture Bhagavad Gita (c. 500–400 BC).[3] J. L. Brockington, emeritus Professor of Sanskrit at the University of Edinburgh, places the Ashtavakra Gita much later, supposing it to have been written either in the eighth century AC by a follower of Shankara, or in the fourteenth century during a resurgence of Shankara’s teaching.[4][5] Sri Swami Shantananda Puri suggests that since the book contains the seed of the theory of non-creation Ajata Vada developed later by Gaudapada in Mandookya Karika, this book comes from a period prior to that of Gaudapada and hence prior to Adi Shankara.[6]

Identification of Ashtavakra
Ashtavakra is probably identical to the holy sage with the same name who appears in Mahabharata, though the connection is not clearly stated in any of the texts.[7] Mukherjee identifies Janaka as the father of Sita and disciple of the sage Yajnavalkya in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad.[7][note 1] Janaka is also depicted as a king who has attained perfection in the Bhagavad Gita (III,20,25).

Contents
Overview

Janaka debating with Ashtavakra. Art from the epic Ashtavakra (2010).
Ashtavakra Gita is a dialogue between Ashtavakra and Janaka on the nature of soul, reality and bondage.[9] It offers a radical version of non-dualistic philosophy. The Gita insists on complete unreality of external world and absolute oneness of existence. It does not mention any morality or duties, and therefore is seen by commentators as ‘godless’. It also dismisses names and forms as unreal and a sign of ignorance.[10]

In a conversation between Janaka and Ashtavakra, pertaining to the deformity of his crooked body, Ashtavakra explains that the size of a Temple is not affected by how it is shaped, and the shape of his own body does not affect himself (or Atman). The ignorant man’s vision is shrouded by names and forms but a wise man sees only himself:[11][12]

You are really unbound and action-less, self-illuminating and spotless already. The cause of your bondage is that you are still resorting to stilling the mind. (I.15)

You are unconditioned and changeless, formless and immovable, unfathomable awareness, imperturbable- such consciousness is un-clinging. (I.17)
You are not bound by anything. What does a pure person like you need to renounce? Putting the complex organism to rest, you can go to your rest. (V.1) [13]

Structure
The book comprises 20 chapters:[14]

I Saksi – Vision of the Self as the All-pervading Witness
II Ascaryam – Marvel of the Infinite Self Beyond Nature
III Atmadvaita – Self in All and All in the Self
IV Sarvamatma – Knower and the Non-knower of the Self
V Laya – Stages of Dissolution of Consciousness
VI Prakrteh Parah – Irrelevance of Dissolution of Consciousness
VII Santa – Tranquil and Boundless Ocean of the Self
VIII Moksa – Bondage and Freedom
IX Nirveda – Indifference
X Vairagya – Dispassion
XI Cidrupa – Self as Pure and Radiant Intelligence
XII Svabhava – Ascent of Contemplation
XIII Yathasukham – Transcendent Bliss
XIV Isvara – Natural Dissolution of the Mind
XV Tattvam – Unborn Self or Brahman
XVI Svasthya – Self-Abidance through Obliteration of the World
XVII Kaivalya – Absolute Aloneness of the Self
XVIII Jivanmukti – Way and Goal of Natural Samadhi
XIX Svamahima – Majesty of the Self
XX Akincanabhava – Transcendence of the Self
Appreciation
The work was known, appreciated and quoted by Ramakrishna and his disciple Vivekananda, as well as Ramana Maharshi. Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan refers to it with great respect.[15]

Translations and commentaries
Nath (1907) opened the discourse of this Gita into the English language.[16] Mukerjee (1889–1968) continued the discourse into English with his posthumous work published in 1971.[17] Stroud (2004) wrote on the Astavakra Gita as a work of multivalent narrative.[18]

Swami Chinmayananda wrote a commentary on the Ashtavakra Gita, which has references to the Upanishads to help convey the meaning of the text.

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has given commentary on Ashtavakra Gita in Hindi[19] and English Language.[20]

Commentaries on this work, have been also been provided by Osho [21]

Notes
^ Janaka receives the teaching of the supreme Self from Yajnavalkya in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad

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What Is the Bhagavad Gita?

The Gita is the sixth book of the Mahabharata, one of India’s most famous epic poems. It’s unclear exactly when the Gita was composed—estimates vary widely, but a number of scholars suggest it was completed around 200 CE and then inserted into the larger work; many see it as the first fully realized yogic scripture. Curious though it may seem that such an ancient text from a foreign culture has been so enthusiastically received by Westerners, the Gita, like all truly great works of literature, can be read on many levels: metaphysical, moral, spiritual, and practical; hence its appeal.

For those who haven’t had the pleasure of reading it, the Gita recounts a dialogue between Arjuna, one of five Pandava princes, and the Hindu deity Krishna, who in this epic serves as Arjuna’s charioteer. Arjuna and his brothers have been exiled from the kingdom of Kurukshetra for 13 years and cut off from their rightful heritage by another faction of the family; the Gita takes up their struggle to reclaim the throne, which requires that Arjuna wage war against his own kinsmen, bringing his considerable military skills to bear.

The story begins on the dusty plains of Kurukshetra, where Arjuna, a famed archer, is poised to fight. But he hesitates. He sees arrayed against him friends, teachers, and kin, and believes that to fight—and likely kill—these men would be to commit a grievous sin and could bring nothing good even if he were to win the kingdom back. Krishna chides him for his cowardice—Arjuna is from the warrior caste after all, and warriors are meant to fight—but then goes on to present a spiritual rationale for battling his enemies, one that encompasses a discussion of the karmajnana and bhakti yogas, as well as the nature of divinity, humankind’s ultimate destiny, and the purpose of mortal life.

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Can we really stop our thoughts?

BUT CAN WE REALLY STOP OUR THOUGHTS? IT THAT ACTUALLY POSSIBLE?
When the thoughts are dead, you live in ABSOLUTE REALITY. You live in PURE AWARENESS. When the thoughts are dead you live in SAT-CHIT-ANANDA, in NIRVANA. So what do you have to do to also cease thinking, so the thoughts can become dead? You simply do not attach yourself to the thoughts. By not attaching yourself to the thoughts, by not reacting to the thoughts, by not responding to the thoughts, they lose their power and begin to fade away. Yet do not give them any energy. Do not give them any power. Do not say to yourself, I have to stop my thoughts. Do nothing like this. Just slow down, slow down. Let the thoughts do what they may. Allow the thoughts to go their own way. Do nothing with your thoughts. Do not think about them. Do not fight them. And above all, do not try to stop them. You may think this is so difficult, but it’s not.
It’s like when you first wake up, before the thoughts come. You’re still drowsy from sleep. And when the first thoughts come to you, you hardly pay any attention to them. That’s the attitude to have.

Becky Reimler

A ‘sit-down’ w/God

JUST HAD A LITTLE “SIT-DOWN”:

RJS: Okay, I’ve been listening to Rupert for hours and everything he said resonated with me big time. Then a barrage of unwanted thoughts came rushing in.

SilentVoice: And you’ve been trying to apply what you’ve heard and get them out and make them stop coming?

RJS: Well … yeah … kinda ….
I don’t like to acknowledge it but yeah.

SilentVoice: Something within is telling you that there’s something terribly wrong with your application especially with regard to your motive. You know you’ve got everything bas-ackwards all over again.

RJS: Yes, I certainly do, but there are these feelings….

SilentVoice: And you want to weed them out as well?

RJS: Sounds ludicrous?

SilentVoice: You betcha! But that’s good news. You forgot which dimension you reside in. Heck, you’ve completely forgotten who and what you are!

RJS: I’m the one doing the seeing, looking from a position of Absolute Immensity. I don’t even have a human mind in all its fragility, desperately trying to get it right – fully and finally. I-Spirit am INSTEAD of all the hypnotism of the world that would try to tell me … anything! I am at once everywhere as pure Spirit. This is what I am dammit. You wanna know what? I DON’T CARE !! I’m done with this stupid flip-flopping around between my realization of Eternal life and the hypnotism that is the world. I’m done with all the hideous presentations of all the multifarious and variegated forms of nothingness. I’ve had it and I’m done.

SilentVoice: How do you feel?

RJS: Home again! I feel like the sky upon which everything real happens – billions of years ago and hence! I don’t feel – I Am!

SilentVoice: And you related all this to Me, your Self.

DrRobinStarbuck

Ouspensky, P.D.,Communication pitfalls

Ouspensky, P.D.

‘In Search of the Miraculous’ – P.D.Ouspensky

G. I. Gurdjieff – “Knowledge is one thing, understanding is another thing.’’

“People often confuse these concepts and do not clearly grasp what is the difference between them.
“Knowledge by itself does not give understanding. Nor is understanding increased by an increase of knowledge alone. Understanding depends upon the relation of knowledge to being. Understanding is the resultant of knowledge and being. And knowledge and being must not diverge too far, otherwise understanding will prove to be far removed from either. At the same time the relation of knowledge to being does not change with a mere growth of knowledge. It changes only when being grows simultaneously with knowledge. In other words, understanding grows only with the growth of being. MORE:

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Jiddu Krishnamurti

I maintain that Truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect.

We all want to be famous people, and the moment we want to be something we are no longer free.

Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to the understanding of a problem.

Jiddu Krishnamurti 1895 – 1986 was an Indian philosopher, speaker and writer. In his early life he was groomed to be the new World Teacher but later rejected this mantle and withdrew from the Theosophy organization behind it.

Tao Te Ching – Master Lao Tzu

Tao Te Ching – Master Lao Tzu 💎
Translation by Stephen Mitchell
13
Success is as dangerous as failure.
Hope is as hollow as fear. What does it mean that success is a dangerous as failure?
Whether you go up the ladder or down it,
you position is shaky.
When you stand with your two feet on the ground,
you will always keep your balance. What does it mean that hope is as hollow as fear?
Hope and fear are both phantoms
that arise from thinking of the self.
When we don’t see the self as self,
what do we have to fear? See the world as your self.
Have faith in the way things are.
Love the world as your self;
then you can care for all things.

14
Look, and it can’t be seen.
Listen, and it can’t be heard.
Reach, and it can’t be grasped. Above, it isn’t bright.
Below, it isn’t dark.
Seamless, unnamable,
it returns to the realm of nothing.
Form that includes all forms,
image without an image,
subtle, beyond all conception. Approach it and there is no beginning;
follow it and there is no end.
You can’t know it, but you can be it,
at ease in your own life.
Just realize where you come from:
this is the essence of wisdom.

Mystics say one Self, ego, being JSG

ALL THE MYSTICS OF THE WORLD have revealed that there is but one Selfhood, one Ego, one infinite Being. God created individual being, individual you and me, in the image and likeness of Himself, not through the act of human conception and birth, but He sent man forth into expression as the showing forth of all that He is and has—and this without any processes.

Joel S Goldsmith

The Vastness of you. RS&RJS

THE VASTNESS OF YOU

Are you located inside your sensation/feeling/thought or is your sensation/feeling/thought located inside you?

Answer: It’s located inside you.

What happens when that sensation/feeling/thought is over? Where does it go?

Answer: It goes further within and dissipates. After all, you are the vastness of all infinity. As “it” goes anywhere, it’s gone!

DrRobinStarbuck

Withdraw your permission RS&RJS

WITHDRAW YOUR PERMISSION !

Imagine you’re having a dream and you wake up a little bit – kind of like lucid dreaming. Then you realize that the dream is really a nightmare but you still continue allowing it to happen.

It’s getting more and more unpleasant and you almost forget that it is in fact just a dream. The moment you refuse to give it permission to continue its gone!

Btw, withdrawing permission to continue from a wide-awake world mind illusion works just as efficiently and effectively! You can have a happy day instead.

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