D.: Why is the world so wrapped up in ignorance?
M.: Take care of yourself. Let the world take care of itself.
See your Self.
If you are the body there is the gross world also. If you are spirit all is spirit alone.
D.: It will hold good for the individual, but what of the rest?
M.: Do it first and then see if the question arises afterwards.
D.: Is there avidya? [ignorance as cause of suffering through desire, evil.
M.: For whom is it?
D.: For the ego-self.
M.: Yes, for the ego.
Remove the ego; avidya is gone.
Look for it, the ego vanishes.
The real Self alone remains.
The ego professing avidya is not to be seen. There is no avidya in reality. All sastras are meant to disprove the existence of avidya.
D.: How did the ego arise?
M.: Ego is not.
Otherwise do you admit of two selves?
How can there be avidya in the absence of the ego?
If you begin to enquire, the avidya which is already non-existent, will be found not to be or you will say it has fled away.
Ignorance pertains to the ego.
Why do you think of the ego and also
suffer?
What is ignorance again?
It is that which is non-existent.
However the worldly life requires the hypothesis of avidya.
Avidya is only our ignorance and nothing more. It is ignorance or forgetfulness of the Self.
Can there be darkness before the Sun?
Similarly, can there be ignorance before the Self-evident and Self-luminous Self?
If you know the Self there will be no darkness, no ignorance and no misery.
It is the mind which feels the trouble, misery, etc.
Darkness never comes nor goes.
See the Sun and there is no darkness. Similarly,
see the Self and avidya will be found not to exist.
~ Talk 363
Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi
